Using Force Luke: David Griffin’s anonymous attack blogger revealed

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Luke Bubeck (AKA) Fr ATLV
Griffin initiate

While its comedy leader  David Griffin has been sensibly silent,  it has fallen on a mysterious anonymous attack site run by someone calling himself Fr ATLV to carry out the dirty work of his Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn outer order of the Rosicrucian Order of the Alpha et Omega.

Running in an identical format to Griffin’s own blog it features many of the graphics and attacks which has been the trademark of the  Golden Dawn leader.

Recently ATLV has taken to amusing exposés of people such as Aaron Leitch claiming that he is “shock horror” a member of Chic Cicero’s Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.  Since this is something which is on his website, and published in many of Leitch’s books,

it is not exactly the “smoking gun” which he claims.   He has also said that Leitch supports anonymous attack blogs like Watchers of the Dawn on his website, although this is what we call in the trade a lie as Leitch assures us he has not even mentioned us.

ATLV has also claimed that he is not a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn outer order of the Rosicrucian Order of the Alpha et Omega business.  He is just a concerned citizen who mindlessly follows the lines of that group and attacks who it does not like.

However, Watchers of the Dawn can reveal that ATLV is Luke Bubeck, of Huston, Texas and he was initiated into Griffin’s AO on April 17, 2013.  Given that Griffin initiates people in the 0=0 and 1=10 grade on the same day it is a safe bet to say Bubeck is a 1=10.

Why he is so keen to disavow his links to Griffin in his blog is anyone’s guess. The fact in May he joined AMORC  puts him in an interesting situation as that order is currently suing Griffin for nicking its trademarks and is thinking about joining BOTA might be one reason.  After all even esoteric groups like AMORC do not appreciate a spy in their ranks, particularly if they think their monographs might end up as third order material in a business rival’s organization,

It is fairly clear that, despite all that “high level material” he is getting from David Griffin’s pile of photocopies from the European Osiris Order,  AMORC monographs are still vital to his spiritual development. Still he says he meditates every day, which is more than most.

Bubeck also joined BOTA in January 27, 2013 but clearly that did not do enough for him although apparently he is still going.

According to Twitter Bubeck was born in WI went to Grafton High School 2002, grew up in Grafton.   He then went to MIAD, MATC Madison. Moved to San Francisco,  came back to WI, then moved to Houston and  then got married,

So how do we know all this information?  Well David Griffin told us.  After only 14 or so showed up to his much hyped GD conference in the desert, he published lots of snaps of those who did attend with their comments.  One of them was a photo of Fr ATLV which had been previously posted on Twitter.

This photo appears in his Twitter account and different places on the Internet.  He also appears on Meet up where Bubeck reveals all the details of his Griffin involvement which he denies on his anonymous attack blog.

Amusingly he claims he is a member of the Isis Temple of the Golden Dawn which he says was established in 1888.   This was the name of Edward Berridge’s A0 temple which was set up in London in 1905 and closed in the 1930s.  It just goes to show you that Americans will buy any made up history and proudly show it around where the informed can mock.

luke

 

 

 

UPDATE

Luke Bubeck has replied

Care Watcher of the Dawn,
I would like to clarify a few things in the interest of the truth.

Firstly, the date of April 17th, 2013, that you give as my supposed “joining” of the A.O., is actually just the date that I joined that particular online Meetup Group. I have never denied that I have attended A.O. functions, including the recent Festival. However, your assumption that this is the date I supposedly joined the A.O. is completely false, and you should know better if you have any experience with Meetup. Your assumption about my grade & level of attainment is also quite far from accurate, and is nobody’s business but my own. However, I assure you it is not what you have guessed. I have already stated clearly on my blog that I did take an initiation at that Festival, this is not news. Along with 2 others, I was allowed to take an initiation and retain my independence. As Griffin clearly stated, EVERYONE was welcome. I can also assure you that more than 14 people attended. Being that I respect these other 2 people’s identities, I will not give names. Perhaps you need to worry about your own level of attainment & not mine.

Secondly, I assume you also came up with my alleged joining date for AMORC in the same fashion, that being the online Meetup group. That is simply not the case. I am a member of AMORC, but my true joining date is no one’s business besides mine and the Order’s.

Thirdly, while I do occasionally attend the non member events of BOTA, I am not a member and have to leave when the other non members and correspondence members do before they begin their Pronaos rituals.

Does a man not have the right be a Rosicrucian and member of AMORC, attend the occasional BOTA meeting, and practice Golden Dawn magic? Are they all not aspects of the Western Mystery Tradition? How, as an occultist, am I in the wrong for doing so?

As far as your comment about me being a spy, I can assure you that it is ridiculous. Those who know me in the Order know that I take any Oaths VERY seriously, and am certainly no threat to them. Anything entrusted to me by an order is certainly safe with me. I work with the groups that I am involved with for personal spiritual development, and as I am not a leader of an order, I certainly do not get into the courtroom battles. I am in this for my own attainment. Your claims about the possibility of me giving out oathbound material are downright insulting and libelous, especially since you do not even know me. For how upset you are about Leitch being wrongly persecuted, you sure don’t mind doing the same thing to me.

Lastly, speaking of Frater Leitch, I wrote an update for my post (before you wrote this one) in which I offered my sincere apologies for including him in the group I was criticizing, and took down all screenshots & links. You may want to read it before continuing your assumptions. I made a mistake, and lumped him in with a group who IS doing these things that I criticize in my post. I have apologized, edited the post, and admitted my error. Fr. Leitch’s posts are very positive and helpful to the community, & I have no problem admitting this, in fact, I would love to see more of this from respected leaders & authors in the GD community. I am only human, and do make mistakes, & have no problem admitting that.

As far as myself, I was a solitary in the Golden Dawn Tradition for several years before finding AMORC, or even knowing about the big name orders of the Golden Dawn. I may sympathize with the A.O., as they have helped me quite a bit along my Path, and yes, I do have friends in the order. I currently work in an independent Temple that does not advertise. I never really attempted to hide anything, considering I have used 3 different profile pics on my blog that appear elsewhere on the web. You have not “caught” me in anything. I was completely aware of my own use of my picture and name in several places on the internet.

As with most occultists, I prefer to keep my mundane life separate from my spiritual life when it comes to the internet. This is due to family, certain friends, and other reasons that you should be aware of as an occultist. If you are so informed & objective, how could you have made such assumptions based on the dates of Meetup accounts?

In my update I have admitted my mistake, and have since only published positive posts. Most of my posts are positive, and future posts will continue to be. The sentiment of my update is that we all need to follow the message on the HOGD Inc. website and get over past grudges, move on from these flame wars, anonymous libel (which is being published on the blogs in question and other fora), and all forms of personal attacks on individuals and even entire orders, as has been done recently. I would hope we can all do our level best to do so, no one excluded, & act in a more fraternal matter with each other in the future as brothers & sisters of the same wider esoteric & GD community.

Sincerely and Fraternally, in L.V.X.,
Frater A.T.L.V.

 

WE REPLY

 

Thank you for confirming your name.  So welcome to not being any anonymous attack blog for David Griffin.  We were not sure if you were a sock puppet for a while there.

Firstly, the date of April 17th, 2013, that you give as my supposed “joining” of the A.O., is actually just the date that I joined that particular online Meetup Group. I have never denied that I have attended A.O. functions, including the recent Festival.

You are admitting that what we said was completely true and that you were initiated at the recent “shin dig” in the desert.  Fair enough but all those statements about you not being a member of David Griffin’s order are lies.  So why did you feel the need to lie? 

Along with 2 others, I was allowed to take an initiation and retain my independence.

As independent as anyone who says they are a member of a Magic Order and has sworn total loyalty to David Griffin?  Did he not explain what that clause of the oath meant?  Independence is one of the things you would have lost.

As Griffin clearly stated, EVERYONE was welcome. I can also assure you that more than 14 people attended.

The photographs say otherwise.  But can you give us the numbers of people who were actually there as an independent witness? 

Secondly, I assume you also came up with my alleged joining date for AMORC in the same fashion, that being the online Meetup group. That is simply not the case. I am a member of AMORC, but my true joining date is no one’s business besides mine and the Order’s.

We are relying on you to be truthful, but given your previous record that might be our bad.  However the comment below by the person in Amorc did suggest that you were about to join which would tally with your admission date that you gave.  Did you tell Amorc that you were a member of an Order that it was currently suing? 

Thirdly, while I do occasionally attend the non member events of BOTA, I am not a member and have to leave when the other non members and correspondence members do before they begin their Pronaos rituals.

We just wondered why you need to be a member of BOTA when you are getting shit hot stuff from the David Griffin. 

Does a man not have the right be a Rosicrucian and member of AMORC, attend the occasional BOTA meeting, and practice Golden Dawn magic? Are they all not aspects of the Western Mystery Tradition? How, as an occultist, am I in the wrong for doing so?

Because the order is supposed to give you everything you need.  If it doesn’t there is something wrong.  You are effectively saying that David Griffin does not know what he doing and you need information from elsewhere.   If David Griffin says we make magicians then how is it a good thing for you to go elsewhere… what are they going to make you into?

As far as your comment about me being a spy, I can assure you that it is ridiculous. Those who know me in the Order know that I take any Oaths VERY seriously, and am certainly no threat to them.

Yes you made an oath to David Griffin as the Chief Adept of your Order – you can’t serve two masters.

Anything entrusted to me by an order is certainly safe with me. I work with the groups that I am involved with for personal spiritual development, and as I am not a leader of an order, I certainly do not get into the courtroom battles.

Until you are subpoenaed

I am in this for my own attainment. Your claims about the possibility of me giving out oathbound material are downright insulting and libelous, especially since you do not even know me.

Actually as far as AMORC is concerned, all you would need to be doing is gathering paperwork to further David Griffin’s court case.  You would not need to be handing out monographs.

For how upset you are about Leitch being wrongly persecuted, you sure don’t mind doing the same thing to me.

Actually you inspired us.  Your blog claims it wants peace between orders and yet it prints libellous and untrue things about Nick Farrell and Aaron Leitch.  It calls us an anonymous attack blog, and yet we are actually telling you the truth.  Take that sort of shit down and we will ignore you.

Lastly, speaking of Frater Leitch, I wrote an update for my post (before you wrote this one) in which I offered my sincere apologies for including him in the group I was criticizing, and took down all screenshots & links.

Good for you.

You may want to read it before continuing your assumptions. I made a mistake, and lumped him in with a group who IS doing these things that I criticize in my post.

So are you also going to take down the untrue attack against Nick Farrell http://luxveritas-atlv.blogspot.it/2013/07/nick-farrell-aka-magus007-challenges.html or is he fair game too?  As far as we are concerned all attacks on people need to be stopped. Including those which were penned by David Griffin.

I may sympathize with the A.O., as they have helped me quite a bit along my Path, and yes, I do have friends in the order. I currently work in an independent Temple that does not advertise. I never really attempted to hide anything, considering I have used 3 different profile pics on my blog that appear elsewhere on the web. You have not “caught” me in anything. I was completely aware of my own use of my picture and name in several places on the internet.

You were complaining about anonymous attack blogs anonymously while pretending you did not have a vested interest with David Griffins order.  You use the same format and “talking points” as David Griffin.  You also attack his enemies and people who have not attacked you.   We are prepared to accept that you didn’t know what you were doing, but really you have to knock this on the head.

In my update I have admitted my mistake, and have since only published positive posts. Most of my posts are positive, and future posts will continue to be.

Good now pull all the negative posts and never do it again. There’s a good chap.

The sentiment of my update is that we all need to follow the message on the HOGD Inc. website and get over past grudges, move on from these flame wars, anonymous libel (which is being published on the blogs in question and other fora), and all forms of personal attacks on individuals and even entire orders, as has been done recently.

The GD community has heard that from David Griffin before, just before he waded in on an attack which ended up with the SRIA fiasco.   However we agree with your completely on that point… actually we are entirely neutral on this.  We just sit on bad behaviour.  If there is none we have nothing to write about.  Only one of number is even in the GD tradition and we mock him often. But the point is that you are not going stop personal attacks by picking a side and wading in. 

 

 

 

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7 thoughts on “Using Force Luke: David Griffin’s anonymous attack blogger revealed

  1. Care Watcher of the Dawn,
    I would like to clarify a few things in the interest of the truth.

    Firstly, the date of April 17th, 2013, that you give as my supposed “joining” of the A.O., is actually just the date that I joined that particular online Meetup Group. I have never denied that I have attended A.O. functions, including the recent Festival. However, your assumption that this is the date I supposedly joined the A.O. is completely false, and you should know better if you have any experience with Meetup. Your assumption about my grade & level of attainment is also quite far from accurate, and is nobody’s business but my own. However, I assure you it is not what you have guessed. I have already stated clearly on my blog that I did take an initiation at that Festival, this is not news. Along with 2 others, I was allowed to take an initiation and retain my independence. As Griffin clearly stated, EVERYONE was welcome. I can also assure you that more than 14 people attended. Being that I respect these other 2 people’s identities, I will not give names. Perhaps you need to worry about your own level of attainment & not mine.

    Secondly, I assume you also came up with my alleged joining date for AMORC in the same fashion, that being the online Meetup group. That is simply not the case. I am a member of AMORC, but my true joining date is no one’s business besides mine and the Order’s.

    Thirdly, while I do occasionally attend the non member events of BOTA, I am not a member and have to leave when the other non members and correspondence members do before they begin their Pronaos rituals.

    Does a man not have the right be a Rosicrucian and member of AMORC, attend the occasional BOTA meeting, and practice Golden Dawn magic? Are they all not aspects of the Western Mystery Tradition? How, as an occultist, am I in the wrong for doing so?

    As far as your comment about me being a spy, I can assure you that it is ridiculous. Those who know me in the Order know that I take any Oaths VERY seriously, and am certainly no threat to them. Anything entrusted to me by an order is certainly safe with me. I work with the groups that I am involved with for personal spiritual development, and as I am not a leader of an order, I certainly do not get into the courtroom battles. I am in this for my own attainment. Your claims about the possibility of me giving out oathbound material are downright insulting and libelous, especially since you do not even know me. For how upset you are about Leitch being wrongly persecuted, you sure don’t mind doing the same thing to me.

    Lastly, speaking of Frater Leitch, I wrote an update for my post (before you wrote this one) in which I offered my sincere apologies for including him in the group I was criticizing, and took down all screenshots & links. You may want to read it before continuing your assumptions. I made a mistake, and lumped him in with a group who IS doing these things that I criticize in my post. I have apologized, edited the post, and admitted my error. Fr. Leitch’s posts are very positive and helpful to the community, & I have no problem admitting this, in fact, I would love to see more of this from respected leaders & authors in the GD community. I am only human, and do make mistakes, & have no problem admitting that.

    As far as myself, I was a solitary in the Golden Dawn Tradition for several years before finding AMORC, or even knowing about the big name orders of the Golden Dawn. I may sympathize with the A.O., as they have helped me quite a bit along my Path, and yes, I do have friends in the order. I currently work in an independent Temple that does not advertise. I never really attempted to hide anything, considering I have used 3 different profile pics on my blog that appear elsewhere on the web. You have not “caught” me in anything. I was completely aware of my own use of my picture and name in several places on the internet.

    As with most occultists, I prefer to keep my mundane life separate from my spiritual life when it comes to the internet. This is due to family, certain friends, and other reasons that you should be aware of as an occultist. If you are so informed & objective, how could you have made such assumptions based on the dates of Meetup accounts?

    In my update I have admitted my mistake, and have since only published positive posts. Most of my posts are positive, and future posts will continue to be. The sentiment of my update is that we all need to follow the message on the HOGD Inc. website and get over past grudges, move on from these flame wars, anonymous libel (which is being published on the blogs in question and other fora), and all forms of personal attacks on individuals and even entire orders, as has been done recently. I would hope we can all do our level best to do so, no one excluded, & act in a more fraternal matter with each other in the future as brothers & sisters of the same wider esoteric & GD community.

    Sincerely and Fraternally, in L.V.X.,
    Frater A.T.L.V.

  2. Care Watcher of the Dawn,
    First of all, as I already said, I never denied, & in fact said on my blog several times, that I took an initiation at the Festival. I even have a post about my thoughts on the material released at it. I spent many years as a solitary or working in an independent Temple, & I wanted my blog to be helpful to solitaries, as they need direction, & not get into what order or orders I might belong to, as that seems to only lead to more political agenda & strife in our community. To be fair, the A.O. has done much to help solitaries & I wanted to do the same.

    If you do some research, you will find that the Oath clearly states that it will never be in conflict with the personal beliefs of its members, or with matters of religion or State. Also, the order clearly states it does not get involved in the personal lives of its members. My personal religious beliefs happen to be Rosicrucian, & therefore my involvement with it is not in any way in opposition to any of the Oaths of the GD. You know as well as I, that there are and have always been quite a lot of occultists who belong to more than one group, & that in NO way means that any group is invalid or inadequate. There are GD members who are Christian, & belong to churches or other Christian organizations. There are Thelemites also who are GD magicians. There are members of all faiths & many belong to organizations related to their faith. I do not feel that my Rosicrucian faith in any way clashes with w/ the GD, nor does it suggest that any other order is inadequate.

    Quite the contrary, it is a wonderful system of spiritual development, & can easily be worked w/out belonging to other orders. However, to say that belonging to more than one order is wrong, is plain folly. I, personally, like to explore my faith & spirituality, and all it has to offer, along with my studies in the GD. As you can read in my profile, I am also interested in Kemetic practices.

    In regards to who attended the Festival, I do not feel it is my place to give that information. What I can tell you, is there were several people there who were not in the A.O. or even in the GD, who came to witness the Rites of Isis & Nepthys, along w/ the Grand Enthronement of Isis.

    In regards to AMORC, the comment you are referring to, & in fact the entire Meetup page, is for an affiliated body, & not the Order itself. That is what the dates & comments refer to, participating in an affiliated body, not when I joined the order, which as I said, is a personal matter. I also don’t feel it is right to link to their sites, as they have done nothing wrong. They certainly have not attacked anyone. Also, I was not even aware of any suing or issues between AMORC & any other order until I read about it in one of your posts. As I said, I am in this for personal, spiritual, & religious reasons, not political ones.

    In regards to BOTA, again, I am NOT a member, nor have I ever been a member. I occasionally attend their open meetings because they have interesting presentations that involve the Tarot, & do not get any deeper than that.

    Take a look back in history at all the famous occultists we read about & study. Most were Masons, some belonging to several Rites. Some belonged to the SRIA, some were in Rosicrucian organizations, some were Martinists. Some were also members of the Theosophical Society. I could go on, but you know what I am saying is true. If one must only study 1 Tradition, or belong to 1 order, then why are there so many prominent occultists, past & present, who’s work we still study, that were or are involved in several orders or Traditions simultaneously? This even extends to current GD leaders, some of which belong to Masonic orders, or other Traditions, and yet they LEAD orders. So to claim that one can only belong to a single order as a member is ridiculous. You certainly won’t refute this fact will you?

    In regards to the “hot shit stuff” comment, that is an unfraternal and judgmental thing to say, & being that you clarify that you DON’T want to attack individuals, it seems quite hypocritical. Also considering you haven’t seen said material, how can you judge it? As I said I’d like to move on from the past, which is why I’ve edited and updated my recent post regarding Leitch. I may post opinions about certain people’s behavior, but I always point out that I still respect them as GD leaders, authors, & as people. You however post attack after attack on individuals, & though you say you don’t attack orders, you did in your post about AHOGD, calling the whole group “‘orrible”. Now I don’t want to get into the past, but I just wanted to make that point.

    The material I received from Griffin is in fact quite profound, & is certainly not “copies of OO papers”. If that were the case, & you were right to say that the new material is not related to the GD, then why is it that it not only covers GD material, but in depth to a point never before published or taught? If they were truly unrelated, there would not be GD teachings in this material, & I can tell you there most certainly are. You’ll have to take my word on that, as I of course cannot reveal any oath bound material.

    The A.O. is certainly more than qualified to make magicians, and has a rigorous curriculum, & if one is interested in joining the GD, they certainly provide everything needed. However, as I said before, I have personal religious reasons, not related to the GD, for looking for certain teachings or knowledge elsewhere, and that might include more than one source, as my Path is ever evolving. Saying that if one is a GD student, they cannot learn anything else, is like saying if you are a math major you can’t take art classes. Many GD students belong to other orders, or study other material besides the GD. For example, ceremonial magicians who are in the GD may work with Pagan Traditions as well, & there is nothing wrong with that.

    You ask what these other orders or beliefs will “make me into”. Well, they don’t necessarily make me into anything specific, but they do add to my own personal spiritual Path. Now this is just me. Many GD orders are more than qualified to “make magicians”. Other orders are qualified to “make mystics”. It is up to the student, because as I said before, the order should not interfere w/ the personal life of the student, or what they want to explore outside of an order. Personally, Rosicrucianism, my religious beliefs, provides me with the history and teachings of my faith. I have to respectfully disagree that everyone should get everything they need from one source. That surely works for many people, but look at the GD’s founders. They were in several orders & organizations. Why should it be any different now?

    As far as “serving a Master”, I clearly do not look at that the same way as you do. I do not blindly follow any one person. Of course I have my leanings, we all do, but my purpose as a Seeker, is not simply to serve a Master, but to progress on my personal Path as I see fit. That being said, I am very loyal & would never divulge info from any group that is Oath bound, that to me is extremely dishonest, dirty, immoral, & just unfraternal. The fact that this even comes up is sad. I would hope you would agree with me on this.

    Why would I do anything to jeopardize the integrity of an order I belong to by doing anything to further anyone’s court case? These thoughts just don’t ever even occur to me. I personally don’t think matters of the Spirit belong in a court room. As I don’t lead any orders you have mentioned, why would I ever be involved in their court battles? For me, this Path is for spiritual growth, not politically motivated legal battles. I have not violated any rule of any order I belong to, why would I ever be subpoenaed? I am a member of AMORC, yes, as you have kindly pointed out to the world, but as most occultists, I like to keep my spiritual life separate from my mundane one. The word “occult” means literally “hidden”. I take my oaths seriously, as all students of any order should. Just what “paperwork” could I be gathering to further a court case? I think you have me mixed up with someone far more important than myself, lol.

    If you want to stop all attacks on people, why is it that every post on this blog is an attack? I admit, my blog has some posts where I give my own personal opinions of “behavior” of certain people, but I still respect them as human beings. More than half of my posts have been positive posts about magic or other harmless topics. And for the record, I was never really anonymous. I used my real motto and real pictures, specifically to not be anonymous. I knew someday someone would connect these pictures to me.

    I know you see me as using only the same “talking points” as Griffin, but I actually do have my own opinions, and sometimes, they might be the same. Yes, I do agree w/ some of his opinions. For example, certain people have been acting in a manner I deem harmful to the Tradition and newcomers. So until ALL attacks from every source cease, these things will sometimes be discussed. You will not stop personal attacks by making them yourself either.

    I’m glad we could at least discuss this somewhat fraternally & that you actually published my comment (well, sorta, you added it to the post, but close enough I guess), & I hope that continues. I would ask that in the spirit of us finally talking to each other as we should, that you take down my entire life story which you’ve published, just as I took down the personal info about Leitch. I don’t mind pictures, but the rest goes too far, all my affiliations, where I grew up, my high school & college, why is this necessary?

    Would you be willing to publish all the same info about yourself?

    It is human nature to have opinions, and sometimes they may mirror those of someone else. I hope I have answered your remaining questions. I say when you take down all your attacks, I will take down mine & only publish positive posts. I think that would set quite the example for the community as a whole.

    Sincerely & Fraternally in L.V.X.,
    Frater A.T.L.V.

  3. Mitzy says:

    And it’s “Lux Veritatis”, not “Lux Veritas”, unless you want your blog name to be light truth. Before you complain too much at people publishing your details consider what you did to Aaron. You also blamed the Ciceros which was cheap, untrue and uncalled for.

  4. Mitzy says:

    “why is it that Aaron Leitch, Nick Farrell, and others who are associated with HOGD Inc., continue to promote and even advertise for these anonymous and libelous blogs, along with publishing hostile comments on their own official blogs?”
    http://luxveritas-atlv.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/golden-dawn-under-seige-anonymous-blogs.html
    accessed 13.53, 2/9

    • We were all set to pull this blog after Luke said sorry to Aaron and pulled some of the nastier blogs from his site. We reasoned that if Luke was being as reasonable as he was in this blog, that he had clearly learned that attacking people because David told him to was damaging his credibility. He probably also learned that attacking people who had not personally harmed you was perpetuating the Golden Dawn wars. However today we saw with some sadness that all the negative blogs were back up and there was a new blog attacking Aaron Leitch. Luke is also perpetuating the belief that he is independent from Griffin even though he admits that he was initiated into his order and took an oath to assist him in his work. As a result we also see Luke attacking Chic Cicero in this post, who has not harmed him either. In short something appears to have happened which indicates that Luke believes that there is more mileage attacking David Griffin’s enemies than there is being a working magician and fitting into esoteric society. It is fairly clear that Griffin had been on the blower and assured him that Aaron has been breaking some mythical court order that stops him linking to a site which contains information with Griffin disagrees with. Having a site which disagrees with Griffin is easy. It just has to include information which Griffin finds inconvenient to what ever fiction he is touting for his order at that time. We have been around long enough to remember when he claimed he had the only lineage from Regardie.
      Griffin of course has been much more avert in his abuse of the same court order than linking a disagreeable website, but for some reason Luke can’t see that. However Luke we will tell you this now, right now you are being used by Griffin to fight his wars. If you are sensible, you will stay out of it, pull the attack elements of your site and come back as a decent member of occult society. Otherwise you will be forever tainted by having to support the sins of Griffin and Wilson and the other esoteric leaders who push their power too far.

    • Nick Farrell says:

      I am not a member of HOGD and have not been for some time. I also do not attack David Griffin. I just pointed out that what he had been publishing about me for two years was factually incorrect. These incorrect facts are also repeated on Lux Veritas’s blog.

  5. G N says:

    Luke has just demonstrated how naive, gullible and misguided he is. So long as he is unable to distinguish fact from fiction, truth from lies, he will continue to be used as a proxy by David Griffin in his endless campaign to undermine his business rivals.

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